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Media Alert: Super Human Black Men, From Other Planets, Will Appear In Spaceships Over Las Vegas, NV

Media Alert: Super Human Black Men, From Other Planets, Will Appear In Spaceships Over Las Vegas, NV

Starting Sept. 11 until Nov. 11, 2008, Prophet Yahweh, Seer of Yahweh, Master UFO Caller, will be summoning UFO flying machines for the world to see via the "UFO TV News" broadcast channel. Shortly after the sightings start appearing, a spaceship will descend on Prophet's cue and sit in the sky over Las Vegas for three days.

There is no possible way the public descent and hovering of a spaceship over Las Vegas, for three days, will not happen on my prayer signal.

Las Vegas, NV  September 5, 2008 -- According to Prophet Yahweh, "Super human black men, from other planets, are here in spaceships to prove that we are not alone in the universe." They will do this by appearing, on Prophet's prayer signal, in one of their spaceships over Las Vegas, NV. The spaceship will hover in the sky for three days and all Las Vegans will be able to see it, day and night, before it goes back up into space.

UFOs have been appearing to Prophet Yahweh since 1979. Since then, over 2,000 sightings have appeared to him. On May 25, 2005, Prophet proved his ability to summon UFOs, on-command, when KTNV ABC TV-13 (Las Vegas) documented him calling down a glowing orb UFO flying machine.

Also, according to Prophet, these beings are the Angels of YAHWEH. They travel back and forth to the earth in spaceships. On the planet they come from, they have a great King who is the Creator of all things. His name is YAHWEH. He sits on a magnificent throne inside of a glorious Temple that's located between an ocean and mountains there.

Holy YAHWEH has sent His Angels to the earth to wake up black people of slave descent to the fact that they are the original nation of Israel and not Africans. It was in 70 A.D. that the Romans invaded the land of Israel and sacked Jerusalem. Historians say that they were black like the Ethiopians and were driven out of Israel down into Africa where they were later captured and sold as slaves to the Americas.

Prophet says that holy YAHWEH has determined that the time has ended for the black Israelites to be in the lands of their enslavement. Because of this, He has commissioned His Angels to return them back to their rightful land -- the land of Israel. At that time, Yahweh's angels will set them back up as rulers of the world from whence they fell into slavery.

Prophet claims that he is in direct telepathic contact with the angels of Yahweh. Through this means of communication, they have given him supreme knowledge and understanding of who they are, what it's like on their planets, what their beliefs are, and what their plans are for planet earth.

UFO TV News has created a special "Questions and Answers" e-group where people can interact directly with Prophet Yahweh and find out what these space beings have revealed to him.

Prophet says that he has been instructed to build Temples to YAHWEH with landing spots next to them. The main two will be in the wilderness of Brazil and the desert of America. Yahweh's Angels will land at those Temples on a regular basis.

Sometimes, after they land, they will come out of their spaceships, go to a podium and address the world's media and government officials gathered there. At that time, they will make known their plans for the permanent colonization of planet earth. When they get out of their spaceships, the world will see that they are superhuman black men from another planet.

At some point after the public landings start, Yahweh's angels will bring the holy prophets Enoch and Elijah to Prophet Yahweh's Temple. The job of these two prophets will be to unify the black Israelites worldwide, establish their government, and cause all nations to return them back to Israel. There they will meet their Messiah at his return when he arrives traveling with 20,000 inter-galactic battleships.

According to Prophet, "There is no possible way the public descent and hovering of a spaceship over Las Vegas, for three days, will not happen on my prayer signal."

Prophet Yahweh is available for interviews.

For additional information

Official Prophet Yahweh Site:
http://www.prophetyahweh.com

Questions And Answers Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufotvnews

UFO Summoning School:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufosummoningschool

The Flat Earth Society - Yes, there are people who think the Earth is flat - Here is their site.

Welcome to the Flat Earth Society!

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php

Thanks for taking the time to go through this FAQ.  It was created in light of the realization that for someone with a "round-Earth" (RE) background, the FE theory would appear at first glance to have some glaring holes.

Recently we have had many new members joining us and asking the same questions about these holes, so cheesejoff decided to make a FAQ.  While the original version was mostly complete, it's a work-in-progress, and we occasionally do make corrections based on inconsistencies that are raised.

I'm just making a sticky out of it so that no one will have an excuse for starting a thread about a topic that's already been discussed and debated to death. It will be updated as necessary.

Disclaimer

The opinions and beliefs expressed in any posts do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of The Flat Earth Society Forums.
The Flat Earth Society Forums' goal is to promote the free discussion of The Flat Earth Theory as well as the free discussion of and debate of any topic of interest to our members that do not contradict Forum Rules.
The views of any individual or organization (including that of the old Flat Earth Society run by Charles K Johnson) are not necessarily shared in whole or in part by The Flat Earth Society Forums. The only person qualified to give the official position of the Forums (if required) is Daniel.
Also please remember that views of the Forum are not necessarily shared by the Forum Staff who come from both sides of The Flat/Sphere Debate and whose sole unifying purpose is to promote a smooth running forum so as to encourage the victory of truth thought free discussion and argument.

Important Links

If you have any questions about, or see anything wrong with the answers in this list you can talk about it here.

For the original work by the man who created the Flat Earth Society over a hundred and fifty years ago, please see Samuel Rowbotham's Earth: Not a Globe.

A list of Flat-Earth sites is available here

All credit for this FAQ goes to cheesejoff and Erasmus as they did almost all of the work.

Terminology

FE (theory/model): Flat Earth (theory/model), a theory which states that the Earth is flat.
FE'er: Flat Earther, someone who believes in the FE theory.

RE (theory/model): Round Earth (theory/model), a theory which states that the Earth is round.
RE'er: Round Earther, someone who believe the RE theory.

General / this forum

Q: "Is this site for real?"

A: This site is real. There are people who seriously believe the Earth is flat. However, there are also people on this site who do not.

Q: "Why do you guys believe the Earth is flat?"

A:  Well, it looks that way up close.  Also, Samuel Rowbotham et al. performed a variety of experiments over a period of several years that show it must be flat.  They are all explained in his book, which is linked at the top of this article.

Government

Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: It's a conspiracy

Q: "What about NASA? Don't they have photos to prove that the Earth is round?"

A: NASA is part of the conspiracy too. The photos are faked.

Q: "Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture.

Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"

A: Since NASA did not send rockets into space, they instead spent the money on developing advanced computers and imaging software instead

PLEASE NOTE This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT IN THEMSELVES CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF

Q: "What is the motive behind this conspiracy?"

A: The motive is unknown although it is probably money

Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

Q: "The government could not pull off the conspiracy successfully"

A: Actually, they could.

Q: "How are the world governments organized enough to carry out this conspiracy?"

A: They only appear to be disorganized to make the conspiracy seem implausible.

Q: Why hasn’t this site been shut down by the government?

A: Doing so would prove that the government is hiding something.

Q: No way could the government possibly guard the entire Ice Wall!  It would take too many men!  Millions of men!

A: Not really.  You could do it with a few hundred and some basic equipment.

Q: Why is NASA’s space shuttle runway curved?

A: It was specially constructed by NASA to be so. After all NASA are at the heart of the conspiracy.

The Earth in space

Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

A: "Circumference: 78225 miles, Diameter: 24,900 miles

Q: "What about the stars, sun and moon and other planets? Are they flat too? What are they made of?"

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions similar to a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions.

In the "accelerating upwards" model, the stars, sun and moon are also accelerating upwards.

The stars are about as far as San Francisco is from Boston. (3100 miles)

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect.  Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

Q: "Why are other celestial bodies round but not the Earth?"

A: The Earth is not one of the other planets.  The Earth is special and unlike the other bodies in numerous ways.

Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A: Since sustained spaceflight is not possible, satellites can't orbit the Earth.  The signals we supposedly receive from them are either broadcast from towers or any number of possible pseudolites.

Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.

Q: "What about gravity?"

A: The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s^2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity.

Q: "Isn't this version of gravity flawed? Wouldn't planes/helicopters/paragliders crash into the Earth as the Earth rises up to them?"

A: No. By the same argument, we could ask why planes/helicopters/paragliders don't crash into the Earth as they accelerate down towards them.  The reason that planes do not crash is that their wings produce lift, which, when the rate of acceleration upwards equals that of gravity's pull downwards, causes them to remain at a constant altitude.

The same thing happens if the Earth is moving up. The plane is accelerating upwards at the same rate as the Earth, which means the distance between them does not change. Therefore, the plane stays at the same height and does not crash.

Q: "Doesn't this mean we'd be traveling faster than the speed of light, which is impossible?"

A: The equations of Special Relativity prevent an object from accelerating to the speed of light.  Due to this restriction, these equations prove that an object can accelerate at a constant rate forever, and never reach the speed of light.  For an in depth explanation:  Click here.

Q: "If the world was really flat, what would happen if you jump off the disc's edge?"

A: You would enter an inertial reference frame, moving at a constant velocity in the direction the Earth was moving before you jumped. The Earth would continue accelerating upwards past you at a rate of 1g, so it would appear to you that you were falling into space.

Q: "If the Earth was indeed a flat disc, wouldn't the whole planet crunch up into itself and eventually transform into a ball?"

A1: If the Earth generated a gravitational field, yes, it would eventually happen, after a billion years maybe. FE assumes that the Earth does not generate a gravitational field.  What we know as 'gravity' is provided by the acceleration of the earth.

A2: There is a counter-mass which pulls the Earth back into a disc shape.

Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull.

Q:  Follow-up to previous question:  How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A:  This argument is a non sequitur.  You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?"  Snakes are not dogs or cats.  The Earth is not a star or the moon.  It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.

Geography

Q: Do you have a map?

A: See this one, created by one of our members.  There is also this map attributed to a person named Wilbur Voliva, and another by Heinrich Scherer.
Also, there is Cosmas Indicopleustes' world picture, 6 th century in the Christian Topography.

Q: Exactly what shape is the Earth if it's flat? Square or circle?

A: Circle, like in the UN logo, however, the earth is NOT 2D, it is in the shape of a cylinder.

Q: "Why doesn't water run off the Earth?"

A: There is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south.

Antarctica as a continent does not exist.

Q: "How does global warming affect the ice wall?"

A1: The Ice Wall is really a mountain range.  It just happens to be covered in ice and snow.

A2: Global Warming doesn't happen. It and its counter-theory (Global Cooling) are effects that cancel each other out. Remember, these "greenhouse gasses" can reflect heat back out into space as well as keep it on Earth. Yes, there are recorded rises in temperature, but the only records we have go back, at most, around 150 years. This is very likely an occurrence that happens every [x>150] years, that's happened before (perhaps many times), and that the Earth has thus survived before.

Q: "What about tides?"

A: The tides exist due to a slight see-saw effect on the earth. As it goes back and forth, the water rushes to the side that is lower. Note, this is a very slight wobble. Remember, these wobbles are created by very minor earthquakes. They keep the tides in check. Notice that large earthquakes result in large tides or "tsunami".

Q : "Why is the North pole colder than the equator?"

A: The sun circles over the equator, thus the poles don't receive the same intensity of light.

Q: "How do volcanic eruptions happen?"

A: The Earth is thick enough to have a core of molten lava. Once there's too much of it in too confined a space, it finds its way out, just like the water will come out of a full bottle if you squeeze it too hard

Q: "What about time zones?"

A: The sun is a spotlight which shines light on a concentrated area, so not everywhere on Earth will be lit at once. Times zones exist so that everyone's clock will be at 12:00 around the time the sun is approximately directly overhead.

Q: "What about Lunar Eclipses"

(Possible A) The moon isn't a spotlight; it glows with light from the sun, reflected off the Earth. Different parts of the Earth are more reflective than others (the seas, the polar cap, the ice wall, for example). Sometimes, the position of the sun (which is a spotlight) means that only very low-reflective or non-reflective parts of the Earth's surface are illuminated, so the moon is abnormally dark. This could potentially explain lunar phases as well.

Q: "How come the travel time by air from South America to New Zealand, via the polar route, is SHORTER than the travel time going North first and then South again?"

A: (Presumed answer: The airline pilots are misled by their GPS, or are deliberately conspiring to make it appear that the flights take different times)

Q: "How can a compass work on a Flat Earth?"

A: The magnetic field is generated in the same fashion as with the RE.  Thus, the magnetic south pole is near the geographic north pole, just like on the RE.  The magnetic north pole is on the underside of the Earth.  The Ice Wall is not the south pole, but acts as it, as it is the furthest from the center of the earth that you can follow the magnetic field.  The field is vertical in this area, accounting for the aurora australis.

Q: "When traveling in a straight direction, you will always reach the same point on the globe from where you started. How can this happen if the world is flat?"

A: You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight." Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the centre or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the centre of the Earth. Therefore, if you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle.

Q: If you go directly south won’t you eventually fall off the edge of the Earth?

A: Yes, you will. In order to use this fact as proof you need to record a video of someone flying directly south around the world without falling off the edge. Furthermore you need to prove that your navigational equipment allows you to travel directly south without deviating.

Q: How come when I flush my toilet in the northern hemisphere it goes counterclockwise but I have this friend in Australia and when he flushes it goes clockwise?

You're mistaken.  On a round Earth, the Coriolis effect adds at most one (counter)clockwise rotation per day; fewer as you get closer to the equator.  The water in your toilet/sink/bathtub/funnel spins much faster than that (probably at least once per minute, or 1440 times per day) so the additional/lost rotation from the Coriolis effect wouldn't be noticed.

Q: How do seasons work?

The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus.

Here are some very good diagrams of seasons on the flat Earth.  The first is by thedigitalnomad:

and the second is by Erasmus:

Religion

Q: "Are most or all FE's Biblical literalists, who feel like their religious belief system would be threatened by a round (i.e. spherical) earth, or are there any atheists/agnostics who are FE's as well?"

A: Not all FE's are biblical literalists. This poll has more details: Poll

If you see a guy wearing glasses like these just run. You never know - they could melt you.

Santa Claus Slams Obama and McCain: Announces Candidacy for President

Santa Claus Slams Obama and McCain: Announces Candidacy for President

A Christian Monk and children's advocate, whose legal name is Santa Claus, announces his candidacy for President of the United States

Incline Village, NV (PRWEB) August 4, 2008 -- A Christian Monk and children's advocate, whose legal name is Santa Claus, repeatedly has taken Senators Obama and McCain to task, to no avail, for their continued failure to address children's issues. Consequently, Santa Claus has announced his candidacy for President of the United States.

Santa Claus emphasizes that Senators Obama and McCain's inability or unwillingness to address this legitimate national issue indicates that they fail to recognize that children are suffering in our great nation and that children are our future.

Santa Claus says he "Intends to garner the attention of the millions of adults who suffered as children the very same political indifference vulnerable children in dire circumstances suffer today." He is well aware there are millions of health care workers and public safety personnel who have observed, first hand, the suffering that more than 2 million children endure who are abused, neglected, exploited, abandoned, homeless, and institutionalized -- that's 1 out of 37 children.

Santa Claus appreciates that there are more than a million foster and adoptive parents and volunteers who have helped and continue to care for these children, and notes that the states are unable to adequately care for or provide for the health, welfare, and safety of these children without help from the federal government streamlining and coordinating the states' efforts.

As a volunteer children's advocate, Santa Claus visited every Governor's staff and many U.S. Senators' staffs throughout 2006 and 2007 and believes that it will not cost any more to implement the streamlining and processes he proposes than our nation already spends to address these children's vast unmet needs.

Santa Claus says he's running for President to help vulnerable children in dire circumstances, because no one else who cares is stepping up to the plate -- and, after all, "Who better than Santa Claus to advocate for children this way?"

Santa pledges to continue to advocate for children, no matter how his candidacy is viewed. He pledges to continue using his name and appearance as "effective tools" to help garner national attention to children's issues. Perhaps, most unusual is his pledge not to accept campaign contributions from anyone for his creative write-in candidacy for President---a kind of David versus Goliath stance.

Those who visit Santa's website, www.SantasLink.net, will find his daily blogs, addressing a number of children's issues, and his videos. Santa emphasizes that his campaign will be unique, in that it will rely upon visitors and viewers to his website to spread the word to others that suffering children in our own country deserve serious and immediate attention--and that Santa is running for President to help them. Utilizing the web, alternative media networks, and word of mouth, Santa's campaign costs absolutely nothing.

Santa muses, "Wouldn't it be wonderful if enough folks visited SantasLink.net, and shared my blogs and videos, to make it crystal clear to the other candidates and pundits that they no longer can ignore our children's plight and suffering." Santa Claus doesn't understand why "Obama and McCain would risk losing millions of votes in a tight election, simply because they refuse to address children's issues, all the while realizing there are additional millions of voters who've said they won't vote for either of them. Now, voters have an option worth considering."

For those who think Santa Claus might be "a bit off," Santa smiles and suggests they watch "Miracle on 34th Street," and is quick to remind them that, "Love is the greatest gift of all -- very child deserves to be nurtured, protected, and loved."

Video of Santa Claus is available at SantasLink.net, TahoeMediaCenter.com, and YouTube.com.

The NosePouch, a Revolution in Tissues - With a How To Use Video

Arc Fabric Creations Introduces the NosePouch(TM), a Revolution in the Facial Tissue Industry

http://www.nosepouch.com/demo.html

The NosePouch(TM) offers benefits that normal paper facial tissues lack.

The NosePouchs unique design, both in its cloth and paper formats, could very well change the landscape of the facial tissue industry forever

Walnut, CA (PRWEB) July 14, 2008 -- Arc Fabric Creations, Inc. announces the release of the NosePouch(TM), a revolutionary patented cloth tissue with pouch that offers a new and improved alternative to existing paper facial tissue.

"The greatest benefit of the NosePouch is that its pouch design enables it to help stop the spread of disease, including colds and the flu. It does this by helping to prevent discharge from sneezes, coughs and blown noses from traveling beyond the pouch. This is often difficult to do with conventional tissues or handkerchiefs because of how they are sometimes held," says Warren R. Wilkins, inventor of the NosePouch and president of Arc Fabric Creations, Inc. "As we all know, discharge of airborne particles from one person to another is the greatest cause of spreading colds and flu. No other product works quite like the NosePouch in helping to protect the spread of these illnesses."

One difference between the NosePouch and competing products in the facial tissue market is the pouch's environmentally friendly cloth design. Its re-usability gives it a significant environmental advantage over paper tissue, since it does not require cutting down trees. The product also cuts down on littering and waste production. The NosePouch is ideal for environmentally conscious consumers who would rather use a cloth tissue than litter and cut down trees, for those who already use a cloth handkerchief and would like to replace it with a cloth tissue that does a better job, and for those who like the idea of keeping several cloth tissues with them wherever they go.

For individuals who prefer a disposable tissue, Warren Wilkins envisions a paper tissue NosePouch as well.

The NosePouch's convenient size and packaging makes it ideal for outdoors types who wish to keep on-hand several handy, light-weight cloth tissues when performing a variety of activities, including camping, hiking, jogging and bicycling.

Arc Fabric has already had success selling the cloth tissue in various venues, indicating a market for the product. Wilkins believes that the ideal outcome would be a licensing partnership with one or more of the major tissue manufacturers or a partnership with a consumer product company, which could use the paper NosePouch and possibly the cloth version to complement existing product lines, while also breaking into the facial tissue market.

"The NosePouchs unique design, both in its cloth and paper formats, could very well change the landscape of the facial tissue industry forever," Wilkins says.

Arc Fabric Creations is a California Corporation formed in 2003. It is located in Walnut, California and can be visited online at www.nosepouch.com.

The AFA is BoyCotting McDonalds Not Because Of The Food, But Because Of The Homosexuals - not that they hire - but their "agenda" - read on - it gets weirder.

If you're going to boycott an organization like McDonald's it should be about the food.  How unhealthy it is.  How they pay their workers terrible wages.  About how the toilets there are totally disgusting.  But to boycott them because they support the homosexual agenda?  Do homosexuals have an agenda we don't know about?  Am I in danger of them turning me?  Here is a link to their site...It's quite amusing and disturbing at the same time.

http://boycottmcdonalds.com/

What the boycott of McDonald's IS NOT about

• This boycott is not about hiring homosexuals.
• It is not about homosexuals eating at McDonald's.
• It is not about how homosexual employees are treated.

What the boycott of McDonald's IS about

It is about McDonald's, as a corporation, refusing to remain neutral in the culture wars.  McDonald's has chosen not to remain neutral but to give the full weight of their corporation to promoting the homosexual agenda, including homosexual marriage.

Woman finds brand new grenade in backyard

Canadian military and police are investigating after a package containing a brand new hand grenade, belonging to the army, was found in a suburban backyard, police said on Monday.

A woman in the Western Canadian city of Edmonton, Alberta, discovered the suspicious package on Sunday and took it to her local police station, where officers told her to carefully place it on the lawn.

Police called in the bomb squad, which determined the item was a grenade, still in its packaging and belonging to the Canadian military.

The technicians made sure the package was secure and called

military personnel in to dispose of the ordnance.

"It is quite unusual for someone to find a grenade in their

backyard, especially one that hasn't been spent," Edmonton police spokeswoman Patrycia Chalupczynska said.

"We want to advise people that if they ever do find something suspicious-looking, they shouldn't touch it -- just leave it alone and call police."

Man Accused Of Cutting Water Pressure At Ore. Jail - He later stood atop the building and screamed that he had defused a bomb inside and everything was fine.

The authorities arrested a Salem man accused of turning off the main water valves to the Marion County Jail and pulling wires from the building's walls.

The Marion County Sheriff's Office says jail employees spotted the man Wednesday after investigating a sharp drop in water pressure. He later stood atop the building and screamed that he had defused a bomb inside and everything was fine.

The man identified by the sheriff's office as 40-year-old Dereck Benitz complied with orders to come down from the building, and was taken to jail.

He was charged with criminal trespass, criminal mischief, burglary and disorderly conduct. He had been cited for criminal mischief and released from the jail about an hour before the incident.

The jail's water pressure was back to normal Thursday.

Baby born with penis on back (w/pic)

THIS is the picture that will shock parents around the world - a baby born with a second penis on his BACK.

Distressing ... baby with extra manhood

The tot was born to farmer dad Li Jun, 30, and his unnamed wife, who live in Hejian city in central China's Henan province.

But he was rushed to Tianjin Childrens' Hospital on May 27 for surgery to remove his extra manhood.

The rare condition, the first for Tianjin Childrens' Hospital, is called fetus in fetu (FIF).

Doctors, who spent over three hours removing the extra penis on June 6, said he was fine following surgery.

Student gets killed by crashing helicopter while getting his mail...but that's not what this story is about.

I read the following story and am simply amazed that there are no details of HOW a helicopter managed to crash and drag this poor kid to death.  The story just talks about concerns that he had his headphones on and that might have been the cause of the death.  Thus the creation of the category "HuH?".   Yeah, I'm walking to get my mail and jamming to some music and a helicopter crashes on me.   Everyone should be aware of the dangers of falling copters.  He should have heard it coming down and ran away because... you know... that "avoiding helicopters" course they require in school teaches you that.  How stupid.  Where in the following story are the details about the crash? 

VANCOUVER -- The death of a pedestrian in Cranbrook, B.C., on Tuesday has raised the question of how loud is too loud when it comes to listening to iPods and other personal music players.

Isaiah Otieno, a 23-year-old student, was killed when he was struck and dragged by a helicopter that crashed to the ground as he was walking to the mailbox.

Eyewitnesses reported that Mr. Otieno seemed completely unaware that he was in danger and a friend told reporters that he often listened to music through earbuds (in-ear headphones) with the hood of his sweatshirt pulled up over his head.

Concern over safe use of headphones is growing. Last year, Carl Kruger, a Democratic state senator from New York proposed a bill to ban the use of iPods and other electronic devices while crossing the street.

Though Mr. Kruger's bill was defeated, his position was echoed last fall by the charity Deafness Research UK, which launched a similar campaign to persuade young people to switch off their personal MP3 players while crossing the road.

But Lorienne Jenstad, assistant professor in the school of audiology and speech sciences at the University of British Columbia says that it's too early to draw any conclusions about the degree of risk.

"There are a lot of beliefs and assumptions right now on how dangerous this headphone use is, but currently no data to back them up," Prof. Jenstad said.

"In our own informal tests, we've found that the range of volume used is very wide - from moderate to levels that are potentially able to cut out all background noise," she said.

And if you've got the volume cranked too high, you may be able to tell by the ringing in your ears, said Geordon Hoag, digital music product consultant at Tom Lee Music in Vancouver. "The average downtown street registers at around 60 decibels. A jet plane flying overhead is generally quoted at 120 to 130 decibels. If you are playing your music loud enough to cut out that level of noise, then you have it cranked to a degree that is damaging your hearing."

It may also depend on the type of headphones you are wearing, he added. Though the perception is that in-ear headphones are more isolating than over-the-head headphones, the reverse is actually the case. "The seal that surrounds the ears on a good set of traditional phones shuts out more external noise," Mr. Hoag said.

Still, research on headphone use has focused on hearing loss, for a reason: Other safety issues are "pretty obvious," said Linda Polka, associate professor in the school of communication science and disorders at McGill University. "I see people riding bikes while listening to iPods, and it's horrific. You shouldn't need to educate people about that."